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eBay's PayPal Rule In Australia Draws Fire...Yikes!

eBay's PayPal Rule In Australia Draws Fire...

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) - EBay Inc. is exploring whether to require customers to use its online payment service PayPal, a move that has angered users and prompted antitrust scrutiny in Australia, where a PayPal-only rule takes effect next month.

After repeated queries, the online auction company said late Friday it will not institute such a rule in the United States. But it remains unclear whether eBay will still try it in other countries. EBay often tests big changes in smaller markets before expanding them worldwide, and says it is open to that in this case.

"We are going to take learnings from it and apply them accordingly," said eBay spokesman Usher Lieberman.

EBay says it wants to reduce disputes and restore trust in its marketplace with the PayPal-only plan. Because eBay and PayPal can share information on each transaction, eBay says use of PayPal allows it to stop fraud more efficiently than outside payment services. Pressing that safety argument in a heated discussion with Australian users, an eBay executive compared the new rule to banning the sale of heroin on street corners.

But critics lament that PayPal is costlier than other payment options, and they suspect eBay is just interested in increasing PayPal's revenue. Australian banks say the plan will eliminate competition for the sake of exaggerated benefits.

"Competition will be restricted, innovation and development will be constrained, new entry will be discouraged and PayPal will be able to increase fees and charges to eBay users," the Australian Bankers Association said in a filing with regulators Thursday.

Because eBay sellers are commonly independent merchants who don't accept credit cards, PayPal acts as a go-between. Buyers use their credit cards and bank account information to make payments, and PayPal relays the funds to sellers' PayPal accounts, charging them 30 cents plus a commission - up to 4.4 percent in Australia. The second-most common method of payment on eBay Australia, bank transfers, cost 20 cents each.

Australia's bankers group says PayPal is not as immune to fraud as eBay claims. While PayPal does keep bank and credit card account information secret between trading partners, the bankers group decried that it does not verify identity as banks do.

EBay's financial reports indicate that PayPal, while hardly fraud-proof, is getting better at cracking down. Its loss rate is 0.24 percent, down from 0.33 percent a year ago. That means that for every $100 transacted with the service, PayPal has to eat 24 cents because of fraud. That is slightly lower than the rates seen in credit and debit card transactions involving the top 20 online retailers, said Avivah Litan, a payments security analyst with Gartner Inc.

EBay contends that when users opt for methods like bank transfers, their transactions are four times more likely to result in a disputed payment. EBay says reducing that risk will attract new buyers to the site.

And, the company adds, it doesn't stand to profit directly from the PayPal rule. It claims its investments in new buyer protections could outweigh any gains from increased PayPal fees. For instance, under Australia's new plan, if a buyer doesn't get what he or she paid for via PayPal, eBay will refund the buyer up to 20,000 Australian dollars ($18,600).

To make the PayPal rule possible, eBay has applied for - and automatically gets - immunity from Australia's anti-monopoly Trade Practices Act. But the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, which is investigating, could revoke that immunity if it finds the plan will harm the marketplace. A decision is expected soon.

Critics say eBay is just trying to fatten its bottom line. Growth in eBay's core auction listings has slowed in recent quarters, pushing eBay to expand other parts of its business, which includes PayPal, classifieds sites and online telecommunications service Skype. And eBay has already taken other steps viewed as protecting PayPal, such as banning Google Inc.'s rival Checkout service on alleged safety concerns months after it was launched in 2006.

Sellers in Australia are "absolutely furious" and resent that they are subjects of an experiment, said Phil Leahy, president of the 600-member Australia chapter of the Professional eBay Sellers Alliance.

Leahy sells DVDs, movies and CDs through eBay, a high-volume, low-margin business. He says using PayPal instead of bank transfers would cost him $4,700 per month, based on his January sales numbers of $332,000. "It's the difference between making money and not making money," he said.

Leahy estimates Australian buyers use PayPal about 50 percent of the time - eBay would not confirm the figure - versus an 85 percent rate in the United States. He said bank transfers are used in 30 percent of transactions. The rest are conducted with bank and personal checks, money orders, or cash on delivery, all of which are banned under eBay's new plan unless the payments are exchanged in person. That happens rarely.

Shaun O'Brien, a seller of home theater accessories, said many Australians trust their banking system more than online services like PayPal. He worries buyers will leave when they are deprived of a choice.

"Australians here have been heavily educated against putting credit card details online," O'Brien said. "There are plenty of customers out there that refuse to use PayPal."  The Australian experiment could lead to a less-stringent step, namely requiring sellers to at least offer PayPal as a payment choice.

No matter how it turns out, however, eBay surely has more big plans for PayPal, which has grown steadily since the auction company bought the payment service in 2002. Last year it accounted for $1.9 billion in revenue, 25 percent of eBay's total.

In fact, eBay's top e-commerce executive, Rajiv Dutta, PayPal's former president, said last year he was convinced PayPal would someday be bigger than eBay's better-known auction and marketplace business.

On the Net:
www.eBay.com.au & www.accc.gov.au  

Copyright 2008. Reprinted with Permission Of The Associated Press. Written By Amana Fehd, Assocaited Press Writer.

 

pscrafting
Good Morning, Where did you get Paypal accounted for $1.9 billion in revenue, 25 percent of eBay's total. I heard it was over 50%.
May-10-08 08:24:46 PDT Report this comment
healthyjerky4u
Company Profile for EBAY...

Industry: Internet Auctions
Total # of Employees: 15,000.00
Prev. Year Sales: +7,672,300,000
Net Income: +348,300,000
Earnings Per Share(TTM): 0.31
P/E Ratio: 93.75
Current Quarter EPS Estimate: 0.41
Next Fiscal Year Estimate: 1.96
Top Competitors: Amazon.com, Google, Yahoo!

Key People...

Chairman: Pierre M. Omidyar
SVP and CFO: Robert H. (Bob) Swan
President and CEO: John J. Donahoe

Profile: "I got it on eBay" is barreling its way into the lexicon of the new millennium and placing a cyber-grin on the corporate face of online auctioneer extraordinaire eBay. The company is a cyber-forum for selling more than 50,000 categories of merchandise -- from Beanie Babies to fine antiques -- hosting about 500,000 online stores worldwide. eBay, which generates revenue through listing and selling fees and through advertising, boasts more than 275 million registered users. In 2007, eBay acquired one of the fastest growing online ticket sellers, StubHub, for $307 million.
May-10-08 08:25:48 PDT Report this comment
healthyjerky4u
I had to fix it ps...THAT why I copy and pasted it AGAIN..
May-10-08 08:28:50 PDT Report this comment
healthyjerky4u
PAYPAL FDS (PAPXX)

as of 06:06 PM EDT on 05/09/2008 (NASDAQ)

7-Day Yield Annualized: 2.56%
Average Maturity: 55 days
Total Assets: 933.1 M

http://finance.aol.com/charts/paypal-money-market-fund/papxx/nmm/classic-charts
May-10-08 08:36:08 PDT Report this comment
linday6470
Something is going on with PR also, not sure what it is, but customers are trying to file against them right now. ?/ Bye got to run, will check in later
May-10-08 08:37:42 PDT Report this comment
healthyjerky4u
PayPal, Inc. Company Profile...

Contact Information...

Address: 2211 N. First St.
San Jose, CA 95131
Phone: 402-935-2050
Fax: 650-864-8001

Financial Highlights...

Fiscal Year End: December
Revenue (2007): 37.90 M
Employees (2007): 600

Top Competitors...

Citigroup Inc. (c)
The Western Union Company (wu)
Yahoo! Inc. (yhoo)

Key People...

President: Scott Thompson
SVP, Operations: Ryan D. Downs
VP, Finance: Mary M. Hentges

PayPal is an eBay junkie's best friend. The company's eponymous payment system lets users transfer money via personal computer or Web-enabled mobile phone, with transactions charged to the customer's bank account, credit card, or PayPal balance. The company earns fees on payment transactions, foreign exchange, and withdrawals on a foreign bank account, as well as on its customer balances and its credit and debit cards. More than 133 million individuals and businesses (mostly individuals) in 100 markets use PayPal. Processing some 1.7 million transactions per day, the company accounts for $24 billion of its parent's total payment volume of $52 billion.
May-10-08 08:41:25 PDT Report this comment
healthyjerky4u
Good morning PS...

I NEVER stated that PAYPAL earned 1.9 billion in revenue...

Paypals company profile for 2007 is above...

Have a great day...
May-10-08 08:44:53 PDT Report this comment
pscrafting
Thanks for finding me
I am interested in stuff like this.
Just read for about an hour last night on it
and here you post in a "nutshell"
Thanks so much I still am confused but can't help that... ... ...
aren't we all a little.
LOVEnSTUFF
May-10-08 09:08:48 PDT Report this comment
healthyjerky4u
It's alright PS...

I always try to find out whats going on with these 2 companies...
Since they are one in the same...It's a bit confusing, I do agree with that..
May-10-08 09:11:54 PDT Report this comment

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