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Religous freedom

 

Big fight in Blogland over religion.

Makes me think of the founding fathers and religion.

How many of them were arrested for their belief or non belief in God. Boy did they have differences in opinion over just what God was or was not.

Everytime I hear the arguements I come away from them happy to be American.

Happy for the First Ammendment to the constitution.

Happy for the words

"...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The first ammendment that gives you the free speech? Also protects our religious beliefs. That would be the right to believe in what ever you do or don't believe.

That would be between you and your heart.

I'm a Christian.

And I can guarantee that some of the stuff being said about Christianity may hold for some folks beliefs but not for others.

In the subset of Christian belief, there are a whole lot of differences.

Differences on such things as predestination, what the 10 commandments are, wheither your religious leaders can marry or divorce, wheither communion is symbolic or the actual blood and body of Christ, even what things you have to do to actually get into Heaven.

About the only thing that folks have in common is that they believe that Jesus was God's son on earth. That's honestly about it. And even then there are arguements about it.

We don't know whose right until we die.

The beauty of the first ammendment is that it protects folks ability to believe in God or not. It allows for the freedom to choose. Recognizes the right of the individual freedom of choice.

All this fuss? I don't get it. Under the US Constitution you or I don't owe anyone an explaination of our religious beliefs.

There are places where that choice is determined by government.

If you lived there I could understand the anger. But not here. Sure folks are going to disagree with you. Some of them will be nice and some won't.

At the end of the day it's the individual  heart's decision.

I always tell folks that I'm happy to share my religious beliefs if they would like to know them. But when I die, I don't want God (remember I believe in God) to tell me I was wrong in my beliefs. That my wrong beliefs led others astray. I think God would be much more forgiving if I'm wrong if I've been tolerant of others beliefs rather than dictotorial.

I just wanted to tell you this. By lumping Christians into the same general group and then saying that they all believe the same  you are being the same intollerant  that you're saying others are.

There is  alot of anger about religion. I can imagine from what I'm seeing that others have been intolerant of you. Not good. Hugs.

But  in America? You don't have this fight.

It's the First Ammendment.

See:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Over and over the US Supreme Court upholds this notion.

Liberal or Conservative.

 

Take care.

May all your "mistakes" be happy ones.

 

 

Road trip?.

 

Where does the time go

 

imagineart.541
always a good read, from ya Ann!!
:O)


have a great day......!!!
Oct-09-08 12:53:10 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
Thanks Imagine.
Oct-09-08 12:55:34 PDT Report this comment
blue_wonder_beyond
I agree with Imagineart and you.....
Oct-09-08 12:56:58 PDT Report this comment
kookart
I think you should believe exactly like me.

I believe I am a kook.

There, that works.
:)

*hugs Ann*
Oct-09-08 12:57:15 PDT Report this comment
tjsttng
Yep!

Certain someone thing I am a bad science teacher cuz I believe in God & believe in creation!
Oct-09-08 12:58:15 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
Thanks Blue


I hear there's been alot of fighting in Blogland.

Alot of hurt feelings.
Oct-09-08 12:59:21 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
LOL Kook

But if we all believed the same?

What would happen to Friday Night Wrasslin?

Just kidding.

Hugs to you too

I'm going to believe or not.

Just glad I live in Amerioa where that is possible.
Oct-09-08 13:01:16 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
TJ (if you're still here) are you allowed to teach creationism in your class room?
Oct-09-08 13:03:11 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
LOL Perf

Amen right back


Good to see you up and about by the way. How are you feeling?
Oct-09-08 13:04:23 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
Hey Hula.

How's it going in your neck of the woods?

Everything going okay for you today?
Oct-09-08 13:05:16 PDT Report this comment
tjsttng
I am allow to use Bible as literature if the student ask me. But I can't say, I believe the Bible said ...
Oct-09-08 13:06:34 PDT Report this comment
a-hula-girl-at-heart
well..it's going..i'm fixin to send you a reply..give me a sec ...ok?

great post by the way :o)

how are you?
Oct-09-08 13:07:01 PDT Report this comment
tjsttng
If the student ask me what God say creation, I say, ' Let see what the Bible say and read the scripture" and let them interpret it for themselves.
Oct-09-08 13:08:22 PDT Report this comment
tjsttng
One student asked me about Evolution and thought it was true and I use it to explain what theory mean. She thought it was 100% true. Deaf student have gap. I gave her project in evolution and creation because asked on staff and said creation. She went around asking what they believe. She just was surprise. I told her to read more and choose what she want to believe. She choose evolution. That the end of it.
Oct-09-08 13:11:11 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
During part of my life I was an atheist/agnostic in a very religious world.

Then I was a minority religion.

Then I was a majority religion.

LOL My religious CV is all kinds of interesting.

But it taught me alot.

Like what it feels like to be discriminated against because of my religious beliefs.

Not fun.

I'm glad to be American though because my beliefs and yours are protected by the First Ammendment of the Constitution.

The US Supreme Court has upheld that notion.

Exceptions to some?

abortion and school prayer.

First Ammendment is a powerful notion.

Would have loved to have talked to the folks who drafted the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Interesting folks.

And the folks that preceeded them.
Oct-09-08 13:12:58 PDT Report this comment
tjsttng
I think they are rolling in their graves right now!
Oct-09-08 13:15:44 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
Hey Hula.

Hang on a sec TJ


Fair to middlin this AM

Alot of back in forth on the personal life.

Little bit of whine alittle not.

Looking for email

I hope it is good news.
Oct-09-08 13:15:57 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
LOL TJ.

TJ

Something you said.

About the choice of the student

About looking for themselves.

What do you think is the roll of the teacher in relation to the student?
Oct-09-08 13:19:39 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
Thanks for the comments ya'll

Hugs.

TJ I'm not leaving your discussion just ask that we continue it later in the evening.

You can email me via ebay if you like

Same for all

Glad to say hello.



I've got to go take care of something.

But I'll leave comments open.

All I ask is that you respect the other posters and don't throw your jello.

No "food fights" here okay.

Thanks

Ann
Oct-09-08 13:24:37 PDT Report this comment
observations-of-life
There are those here that even belittle those us who watch pro wrestling so it would appear that 1st and 4th amendment rights are determined by the few who exercise censorship privilages over the ebay Blogs.LOL!Long live Friday Night Smackdown!!!
Oct-09-08 17:06:02 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
Frisky.
What are your views of censorship?

What moves gBay's comments from free speech to banned speech.

In your opinion, how is the fourth ammendment involved with gBay's actions.

________

On a lighter note. I like wrasslin' my comment was not a critism of Wrestling. It's a comment to the high theater and emotional aspects that can come into a discussion.
Oct-09-08 17:51:06 PDT Report this comment
ironchassis
There are alot of folks who believe that their belief in a God or not are in danger of being censored. What do you think Frisky?
Oct-09-08 17:56:44 PDT Report this comment

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